age does not decide Younger are waking up finding ways to assert like anna fans but, truth is , age does not decide , it's wisdom that one attains that propels the changes, irrespective of bio age  an old can be as ignorant as the young, in matters of sensual attractions, and equally , young can be as ignorant as the old as long as wisdom does not dawn chalam talked sense in the beginning days later the same chalam talked more than the usual sense what made the difference muppaala ranganayakamma , not young, but said ramayana maha visha vrikshamu so not the age is the criteria what do you say

Who propelled anna , not the youth, only his wisdom  he propelled the youth  kiran bedi is not old as anna, yet a force by herself

Human bomb who is responsible, not the youth, innocent,  the negative seeds planted in them , tho free of cost, has costed their own life and the life of countless in wtc is not youth ready to jump in to action. by why , in the wrong direction how in the environ created by adults, with nude photos and movies with vulgar dialogs , obscene dances--can they come out for right causes so i am for right guidance from the wisest souls young or old, to all in the society to propel all to the goal of life, not expecting the youth to do this way or that way  give the right inputs right output is natural as a bright day , after the darkest night REPLYDELETE

 

as is , in unenlightened state it is aham , my body mind , my kith kin

2 in samadhi ,only aham unmanifest , no universe, , no i, nothing more nothing less, pure i exist

3 after maturity of experience of samadhi, over long time

aham is infinite=unmaifest i+manifest universe=all is i , mine . this is no ilusion

 As one drives ..( handle car driving ) the car....reflects handling the life ......’’

how truth works in life.

The individual’s style of working / living  is in fact a reflection of his level of truth , it reflects invariably in his every thinking, talking, doing and decides the effectiveness, correctness, and has a bearing on quality of output / consequences / results

The activity can be any thing, profound or trivial, routine or special

Truth reflects on its own in every movement, sitting, standing, walking, writing, speaking, cooking, etc, the level of truth imparts a corresponding degree of grace / beauty /richness, which is clearly perceptible, and so distinguishes the truthful individual from the rest

Conversely, one’s way of handling the life reflects

how ‘’one drives ..( handle car driving ) the car’’

seeing the episodes of repeated road accidents/ crimes/cheating/gender assaults/fire accidents /corruption etc , leads one to conclude that all is not well in the way human is handling his life

a more truthful way of living is the need of present times

 an aspect of me wants to be silent, like a sadhu, muni in mauna

another aspect of me wants to be as active as a sportsman
one other is a kavi, wants to flow in mysterious poetry

yet another wants to be a mathematician to solve divine riddles

a daaku in me wants to cheat and rob, 

a devatha in me wants to dwell in the darbar of devendra

an engineer in me likes to redesign the universe

i am a monkey jumping from branch to branch

a cow, chewing the cud of memories

a bird, trying to fly without wings

i am an insignificant insect,

really a tiniest speck of dust 
yet within this worthless cage of flesh and bones

are truly a bundle of infinite personalities one trying excel other

a universe , compacted, packaged
delivered thru the womb of mother

what is all this, sense or nonsense?
is god, a genius or just an idiot ? or both?
i know not the truth forsooth

  Art   let’s know  how music and all art forms  mediums evolved

''Geetham, Vadyam, tatha Nrithyam thrayam Sangeethamuchyathe.''

Combination of geetham (song), vadyam (instrument), nrithyam (dance) form sangeetham.

in this context, natya shahtra,and its details mudras, rasas, bhavas become significant,

basically spiritual pursuits lead us to capture the basics every aspect of life

when the basics are grasped, it is easy to comprehend the elaborations , and we get maximum joy in listening seeing the artistic expressions in the capacity of a connoisseur , a rasagna

thus i have developed interest in almost every branch of knowledge, internet sharing is a great help

as you said, there are opportunities to learn more

1 if you can deal ramayan, and mahabharath separately with 9 rasas applicability it will be good

we should not switch from one to other suddenly it causes some disturbance

2 visuals are distractions in the spiritual contemplation, blocks the mind in creating and enjoy its own created images

3 every scripture every episode has deeper meaning, what is the deeper meaning that you are getting out of this blog, and

4 what is the spiritual significance of navarasas in life in attaining mukthi, the prime goal?

5 do rasas require an external medium / stimuli for their manifestation

6 what are the fields in life which rasas have a major role

7 are rasas to be relished encouraged or to be despised and kept at a distance?

According to Bharata’s Natyashastra there are eight fundamental feelings or mental states referred to as Sthayibhavas which can be experienced by human beings. These are: Delight (Rati), Laughter (Hasya), sorrow (Soka), Anger (Krodha), Heroism (Utsaha), Fear (Bhaya), Disgust (Jugupsa), and wonder (Vismaya). Corresponding to these mental states are eight Rasas: the Erotic (srngara), the Comic (Hasya) the Pathetic (Karuna), the Furious (Raudra), the Heroic (Vira), the Terrible (Bhayanaka), the Odious (Bibhatasa), and the Marvelous (Adbhuta). A ninth Rasa, the Peaceful (Shanta) was later added.

The realisation of Rasa is said to result from the union of three interrelated elements – Vibhava, Anubhava and Vyabicaribhava and also the permanent mood called Sthayibhava.

For this question 7 are rasas to be relished encouraged or to be despised and kept at a distance?

 

in the light of your explanation, i tend to conclude,that rasas are inevitable effects and cannot be prevented from happening , so we to welcome them with the help of the permanent mood called Sthayibhava.

this is the correlation of feelings/mental states with rasas and more

“Our emotions are the gastric juices which transform this world of appearance into the more intimate world of sentiments. On the other hand, this outer world has its own juices, having their various qualities, which excite our emotional activities. This is called in our Sanskrit Rhetoric, Rasa, which signifies outer juices having their response in inner juices of our emotions. And a poem, according to it, is a sentence or sentences containing juices, which stimulate the juices of emotion. It brings to us ideas vitalized by feelings, ready to be made into the life-style of nature” Rabindranath Tagore

 

The fusion of Rasa theory and Bhakti is widely attributed to Rupa Gosvami, a disciple of Caitanya, who is credited with two key texts examining emotional devotion – the Bhaktirasamrtasindhu (“River of the Immortal Nectar of the Experience of Devotion”) and the Ujjvalanilamani (“The Effulgent Blazing Sapphire”). Emotional devotion begins with the ‘ordinary’ forms of love and desire felt by human beings, but the intention is to transform the ordinary into the sublime. Thus every devotee (regardless of background, caste etc.) is instructed to perform a set of basic practices. Whilst the Bhaktirasamrtasindhu details 64 Veidhi (“that which is based on rules”), there are five which are deemed to be ‘foundationational’:

* Recitation of the name of Krishna

* Remembering and savouring the exploits of Krishna as revealed in the Bhagavata Purana

* Serving the image of Krishna in temples

* Living in the company of holy men

* Living in the mandala of Mathura or Braj (Mathura is the reputed birthplace of Krishna)

By constantly turning one’s mind towards Krishna, the devotee begins a process which – gradually – becomes profound devotion. The basic human emotions are themselves insufficient, and must be continually refined. The devotee learns, progressively, to recognise all the various factors which either intensify or distract from this divine love. Gradually, the devotee learns how to transform the emotion (bhava) of ordinary desire (kama) into the pure and selfless love known as prema. For the advanced devotee, the 64 sadhanas are not mechanical ritual acts, but spontaneous expressions of love, the experience of which is to taste the Rasa – the pure essence of Love. Krishna is the source of Rasa, and there cannot, for devotees, be any Rasa apart from Krishna.

Any devotee whose mind is completely focused on Krishna will, it is said, involuntarily display evidence of that devotion, so that here, the Sattvikabhavas become markers of intense devotion.

 

Gosvami divides the path of the devotee into three stages. The first is that of Vaidhi-Bhakti, in which the devotee purifies his feelings using the aforementioned practices. The second stage is termed Raganuga-Bhakti – “the devotion of passion”. In this stage, the devotee is said to become a divine participant within the lila of Krishna, and does so by dwelling on the emotional feelings of love exchanged between Krishna and his parents, playmates, and the Gopis. Devotees engaged in Raganuga-Bhakti model their emotions on these divine ideal types. There are five appropriate moods: the Santa-Rasa (peaceful mood, as expressed for example, by meditating sages); the Dasya-Rasa (mood of servitude, as expressed by Krishna’s servants); the Sakhya-Rasa (mood of friendship); the Vatslya-Rasa (mood of parenthood – i.e. Krishna’s parents) and the Madhurya-Rasa (the conjugal mood expressed for example by the Gopis). Through Raganuga-Bhakti, the devotee is able to taste the Rasa (essence) of the players in Krishna’s lila. The final stage of devotion is that of Ragatmika-Bhakti – the perfected love of Krishna as experienced by the Gopis and other actors in Krishna’s Lila.

this is the great implied process of progressive transformation ,,the master key in this ''Emotional devotion begins with the ‘ordinary’ forms of love and desire felt by human beings, but the intention is to transform the ordinary into the sublime''.

Rasa is about human state of mind. Its about what the mind feels and the expression of the feeling thereafter. In the Bharata’s Natyashastra, Rasa is an emotion experienced by the audience created by the facial expression or the Bhava of the actor. In indian classical dance it is referred to as Rasa-abhinaya.

Human life is a rich fabric that is given colour and texture by the many happenings that shape it. The mundane actions that characterize every day as well as the extraordinary happenings that make and keep our lives interesting are all threads that get woven together to form this tapestry. The one thing that is common to all these threads is the fact that they evoke feelings in us, we respond to them with our emotions before they can become a part of our internal life. Indeed, life can be thought of as a continuous sequence of emotions that arise in various contexts and circumstances. These emotions, or rasas, are what give life different hues, shades and colours.

8 how the art of acting on the drama is related to nava rasas

9 is villain in real life is only actor

10 an actor acting a villain role how he feels on the rasa effect on his personality/ on personal life

11 are rasas are artificially induced, or natural responses?

9, 10 depends on how strong the personality the person carries.

 

11)Rasa can be understood as a dynamic experience between the artist, expression, and those who receive it. The artist experiences an emotion and is so overwhelmed by it that he seeks a medium with which to express those feelings. The one who views the artists’ work receives this emotion through the artists’ medium and so experiences the same emotion felt by the creator. The extent to which the viewer experiences the emotion felt by the creator depends on both the creator’s aptitude in presenting the work and the viewers’ aptitude to receive it.

''The extent to which the viewer experiences the emotion felt by the creator depends on both the creator’s aptitude in presenting the work and the viewers’ aptitude to receive it.''

leads me to say it is a factor of ''rasagnatha'' the capacity of the individuals to create , to share, to receive, it is a valuable trait of the personality, beyond the surface /superficiality

A key text which deals with the emotional theory of Rasa is the Natyashastra (the Textbook on Drama), attributed to Bharata Muni (some academics believe that it is more likely to be a compilation by several different authors). Bharata ascribed a divine origin to drama and considered it to be a fifth Veda. The Natyashastra primarily deals with theatre, dance & musical performance. According to the Natyashastra, the major purpose of dance, drama, ritual and poetry is catalytic in that aesthetic performance should provoke an emotion that is already present in members of the audience. The various elements of a performance combine to create a sympathetic response in those who experience them. Moreover, a member of the audience who has cultivated his or her own aesthetic response may experience a transformation of their own emotion into a purely aesthetic, transcendental feeling – an experience of divine bliss. This is the transformation of Bhava (“mood”) into its essence – Rasa. (NB: A scholar or connoisseur is sometimes referred to as a rasika).

---A scholar or ''connoisseur'' is sometimes referred to as a'' rasika''

yes, he discovers the value and enjoys more, in turn inspires the artist

digging deeper into the topic and making it more philosophical !

12 whether self realization , mukthi leads one to become of ''even vision, unpurturbed, unmoved, unaffected, untouched by rasas effect

13 krishna, ''the one yogastha '', excelled in which of the rasas more?

14 ,his way of '' not fighting the battle himself, but causing arjun to fight '' comes under what rasas, if at all ?

15, are rasas characteristic / specific to varnas, brahmana, kshathriya, vaisya, shoodra

16 are rasas characteristic / specific to male , female,

17 whether animals birds have rasanubhoothi or not?, they live in which rasas primarily

  all know the value of money

rare few know the value of honesty

  a creeper is a climber 

a climber is a creeper

a creeper climbs up a tree or mountain
a climber creeps up a tree or mountain

both are not birds free
cannot go up in air free

creep or climb, mountain or tree
up should be your spree

  A drop, yes

Life , a water drop on a lotus leaf
yet ambitious to merge in ocean deep

miles to go before sleep
to reach heaven for at least a peep

life is what one can make of it, 
for it no any limit

to me all is a limitless possibility 
for creative potentiality

  A more clear, modern, comprehensive, scientific and deeper spiritual understanding of all the various issues  ,can be gained in the extensive literature of maharishi mahesh yogi

based on the advanced sciences ,----on the unified field , consciousness, force fields, matter fields, fine particles, time space geometry, gravitation, super symmetry---and the field of 

parabrahma, devi devathas, creation and structure of universe, , ----how the vedic expressions, scriptures can be understood in terms of the modern scientific rational language 

those who are interested may google and refer----specially the ''unified field chart '' 

clarifies at a glance the interesting correlation between , the modern sciences and vedic science

With this understanding gained ---

based on the unified field being the basis of all the laws of nature governing the universe,

----one can understand all devi devathas, rishis, saints Prophets, savanths, pandits, scientists and all the species from highest homosap down to animal, bird, insect, tree to amoeba 

-----all jeevas and the inert matter in a single ''periodic table'' like that of elements, and see their  relative positions and value , in a broad perspective, this vision enables one to understand one's life much more intimately in all aspects and will guide him to the goal without confusion due to the ''din and bustle'' of isolated views presented by

various luminaries . 

  ahimsa pratisthayam tat, sannidhau vaira tyagah  in the vicinity of divinity there is no negativity so the only unique solution to establish divine love without any conflicts is to gain and live the self realization, ie living in the vicinity of divinity

  arjuna, unfathomable is the range of karma

so yogastha kuru karmani

so that karma will not bind you and put others to inconvenient

yogah karma sukaushalm

but ignorance leads to death destruction suffering

no one can save you law of karma is infallible

face it

that is why

heyam dukham anagatham

prevent the danger that has not yet arrived

alas, who cares
why, 
what has happened to bhaarath, where richest wisdom flourishes.
yet not in the lives of best intellectuals, 
committing  mistakes and causing suffering
can we ever come out of this cause and effect

  Authentic experience of divinity

makes one to flow and flow

his alphabets glow.

trumpets blow

intellect shines

love rains

friendliness flourishes

his talk nourishes

never he in abuse

always words in good use

In contrast ,

Without experience of divinity.

vessels empty

deliver quantity

not quality

,

not music

it is noise hectic

meanness,

meaningless

  astanga yes truly limbs they are, ,

not asta sopanas, they are not steps

samadhi is the fundamental from which,

thru experience of which,

-----the limbs grow simultaneously in a natural way
there are no preliminary steps 

directly samadhi is to be experienced right in the beginning

and the virtues will be blossoming as the intensity of samadhi deepens 

this is to be understood  the tradition has been to give the initiation at the earliest young stage in life , enabling one to experience samadhi, directly, instantly without any preparatory steps. in a matter of a few days or a few weeks , in which his experience is checked errors corrected and he is left on his practice, fully validated to continue the practice over months, years  

 

Initially the experience of samadhi is momentary, 
he gets just a momentary glimpse of the pure awareness, the absolute, the parabrahma, beyond the entire range of the mind---and this one glimpse has given all the wisdom of million books in a moment. this is called lighting the inner lamp , which immediately removes all ignorance of the understanding of life, reveals to him the unified perspective in life, never to need of searching any more

This is called kshanika samadhi, a momentary experience of the state of samadhi for a fraction of a second in deep meditatin, with this one sitting , yes, he has become the enlightened, since his inner light is lit.
after his coming out , this experience will not sustain , so he has to again meditate , thus every morning, mid day and evening, thrikalsandhya.

as the practice of experience of samadhi grows, samadhi persists in his activity , stablelly

 

The experience of samadhi more and more , opens up all mental and physical potentialities or powers, this is called watering the root , sadhana regularly, sincerely, persistently, now is the time his body starts experiencing such flexibility ,agility, coordination ,health, and spontaneity, the astangas , 8 limbs start growing, his body mind becoming effortlessly n alinment with laws of nature, a virtuous life, a automatc self controlled life in his think talk walk

 

 

As the practice matures, this kshanika samadhi becomes nithya samadhi, 24x7, heightened awareness getting established in his body mind nervous sysetem, --unbroken samadhi prevails amidst al his dynamic activity , here he has gained ''yogastha kuru karmani---'' ie he acts while he is in fully samadhi and skill in action develops yogah karma sukaushalam

Thus pl understand that it is the samadhi first is the thing starting point in yoga sadhana , not the other limbs, nothing is prerequiite
this is placing the horse before the cart , and enabling the horse to make the cart to move and run efficiently.
it is generally misunderstood that we must be first virtuous to see god 
no ,we must first experience god then his great virtues will be ours.
that is why the importance of samadhi first

otherwise it is cart before the horse, never is the possibility of cart moving a bit
most of dos and donts are result of this basic misunderstanding.
in matured sadhana level ,there are no imposed dos and donts by others or by self ---it is just a state of natural mastery over body mid resulting in all good behavoiur , a life in acc with laws of nature, no negative tendensies or nothing to set right, as things go just right 

    Afresh every moment 

navo navo bhavathi 
creation is de novo always
kishan sambhaveth kshane kshane
time , eternity compressed in to a single moment
a single moment expands to eternity
time is in present tense, ------------now
god is present --now
time---the present moment-----god
time is god
this moment is the fullest presence of god ---infinitely
in space ,above, below, left, right, front, back
tomorrow never can be experienced, it is only tomorrow.
yesterday exists only as memory,
as if the plates left over after meal is finished
the delicious meal is the presence of god
present now, at this moment

  allow your flow free, it's a growth

not bound by x y z persons or a b c gods ,

not ritualistic yet spiritualistic

it's a life living as per heart 

it's all coinciding with own experiences 

we graduate from one level to other higher,

exploring the areas which we find charming 

leaving behind the familiar,

 the march continues in joy 

experiencing infinite variety , beauty , and underlying unity

till you find that all gods are one god, 

and that one god is nothing but your own self 

nearest dearest most intimate 

and ultimate simultaneously

 aleph is the first letter

 of the hebrew alphabet.

alpha he first letter of the english, alphabet.

alif is the first letter of the urdu and arabik alphabet,

alpha is the first letter of greek alphabet

anton is the first letter of the german alphabet.

a is the first letter of the latin alphabet.

a the first letter of the all the indian languages alphabet.

a the first letter of the sanskrit alphabet

a is the first letter of the first veda, ie rigveda, ak+nim, agnim, ''agnimile purohitham......., ''

a the first sound, aum, om

a is the first sound a new born makes ,

even animals, birds, insects

a is the beginning of manifest from unmanifest

a is when silence breaks up in speech

  after that what?

after attaining to that ultimate evolution, 

becoming a all knowing ''know all'', 

all capable ''do all'' , 

all pervading ''be all'''

the scientist becoming the creator,

the creator becoming the creation,

the creation continues, 

as the ''ever changing'' new expressions 

of the ''never changing'' original ''nothing''

''nothing'' remains the unseen cause,

causing all to happen continuously non stop

and all creation becoming ever curious 

to know ''nothing'' 

and to be ''nothing''

and becomes ''nothing''

and 

'' nothing '' becomes ''everything''

'' everything '' becomes ''nothing''

.......cycle repeats, 

seed to tree, tree to seed

  a leaf even dry, dropped, 

has no independent existence for its birth growth decay .

it's finally a part of the infinite universe, 

if it drops where can it go? , except to the earth 

where is the earth, ? it's not independent of galaxy, 

which is again not independent of the sky, 

we feel sun and stars are remote as if of no concern, 

but they are a part of the whole , 

Without them , i cannot imagine my existence , 

my birth even 

why to look my house is only the four walls, 

when the city is mine,

when the country, when the earth, 

when the universe is really is mine

it's really my universe, 

like my body and limbs

my whole personality is not limited to some feet height, 

it is far , far , it is all 

every one of us is really parts of one another  

no separate

i am there , since you are all there , 

since the whole universe is there

i am alive since the universe is alive 

leaf is alive, since the tree is alive

there is no need for leaf thinking that it is leaf 

where is it's beginning and end ?

even earth holding the tree is a part of tree, part of leaf 

every dust particle is part of infinity 

it's existing since universe is existing 

so dust particle can claim ''i am the universe''

    Absolute Truth is again Omniscient, Omnipotent force God.

so, 

put the best priority should be 

to know it

to experience it 

to own it

to live it

how

if you know the way proceed

if not, search and find a qualified guide, 

without wasting time in talk , 

aimless, endless, 

on issues useless

    absolute is charming most

prahlada, hiranyakashapa ..

both are going towards him..

faster or slower

every one is wanting to go to it 

and are going to it 

with or without their efforts or knowledge

every impulse of growth 

every expression of growth is taking us nearer to it 

 Yoga karma sukaushalam

If work is attempted with full attention, yoga, 

then one cognizes easy ways of doing things,

that is how tools techniques were developed

even the writing of this cognition is taking me towards it 

here is the inspiration for writers, artists, scientists, everyone

all are cordially invited by it !!

cordially...since, it is the call from the heart 

it is the call from within heart of every being

    analysis is science........synthesis is art........engineering is to learn the science and then design and manufacture products 

analysis is to find the truth., including due experimentation,/measurements, comparison... using rationality, common sense, intelligence, logic, science, experience..................not to be content with simple acceptance, and get deluded. .it is alertness at work evaluating the true worth ….most essential....... 

and then

 launch up on synthesis, to evolve solutions for problems, design and create desired products of utility and value, and serve the society / even market it for advantageous use

How to enhance and practice analytical and critical thinking?.

...........................basic requirement is a cool non emotional mind, not jumping to quick conclusions, but to patiently do a thorough scrutiny of all data and also evaluate by trial and error / sample testing on real plane

    any amount of reading/writing  will lead us nowhere, it should lead us to a guru who only can clarify , not alone by theory ,but ,more important, by practice and direct experience thru which ability will be gained to see things like in day light, instantly, by switching on the light. it all depends on us how serious are we, and on what the purpose of life is otherwise it is a wasted effort resulting in no gain at the end

   a friend in need is a friend indeed''

but, friendship cannot be judged by deed

love ,it's seed
it a basic attitude

manifestation, as help
subject to factors unable to help

 

as is , in unenlightened state it is aham , my body mind , my kith kin

2 in samadhi ,only aham unmanifest , no universe, , no i, nothing more nothing less, pure i exist

3 after maturity of experience of samadhi, over long time

aham is infinite=unmaifest i+manifest universe=all is i , mine . this is no ilusion

  A drop, yes

Life , a water drop on a lotus leaf
yet ambitious to merge in ocean deep

miles to go before sleep
to reach heaven for at least a peep

life is what one can make of it, 
for it no any limit

to me all is a limitless possibility 
for creative potentiality

 

 arjun, perform all deeds passionately--- with all love,---- with full interest----, investing sufficient energy ---, selfishly---to reach your goal of life-----which is very important----not to be sacrificed for anything----- and as per need and context, ---but not as workaholic, ---nor bull worker, --but intelligently, judiciously, in right dose -----sparing enough time for meditation and spiritual sathsang etc

  Ajit   S ri Ni Replies to Ajit Zutshi

Jan 19, 2013 at 11:44 pm

I confirm this approach of Babaji 

he said the message of samyama on pathanjali 's sidhi suthras ie maithri, karuna, muditha, upekcsha etc . refer tm-sidhi lessons by maharishi 

yogastha kuru karmani, 

a thought at it's origin has the power to materialize instantly

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Ajit Zutshi Replies to Sri Ni

Jan 20, 2013 at 09:15 am

My dear,

i am not in disagreement-------with what is said in the blog-------

i am only clarifying-------some of my own doubts-------if you can pl do so

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Sri Ni Replies to Ajit Zutshi

Jan 20, 2013 at 10:10 am

Sir, thank you , at above post , you have nicely cautioned this ---''once the relaxed state is disturbed-----the whole purpose is lost-''

a agree. PASSION AND PERSEVERANCE is not required, rather is obstruction 

in fact since every one keeps doing with PASSION AND PERSEVERANCE, things will not be fetching the result , hence waste 

you rightly corrected

this is the error inadvertently most people do .without right guidance/ understanding on this subtle practice .

the settled state of mind, the wholeness, that is reached in samadhi should not get disturbed.

the wish must be just done so subtlely that as if like a just effortless thought , and left to merge in the wholeness back again .

in this process of ''returning to merge in the wholeness'' , the thought gets materialized , desire is fulfilled, the wholeness has that power, and so PASSION AND PERSEVERANCE will be obstruction,'' innocence and effortless'' helps REPLYDELETE  Like  (1)  Block this user

Ajit Zutshi Replies to Sri Ni

Jan 20, 2013 at 10:23 am

Let us wait for babaji's view on this point

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Sri Ni Replies to Ajit Zutshi

Jan 20, 2013 at 10:07 am

''you are nicely cautioned this ---''once the relaxed state is disturbed-----the whole purpose is lost-''

a agree. PASSION AND PERSEVERANCE is not required, rather is obstruction 

in fact since every one keeps doing with PASSION AND PERSEVERANCE, things will not be fetching the result , hence waste 

you rightly corrected

this is the error inadvertently most people do .without right guidance/ understanding on this subtle practice .

the settled state of mind, the wholeness, that is reached in samadhi should not get disturbed.

the wish must be just done so subtlely that as if like a just effortless thought , and left to merge in the wholeness back again .

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Ajit Zutshi Replies to Sri Ni

Jan 20, 2013 at 10:25 am

Let us wait for babaji's views on this point

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Jan 20, 2013 at 10:12 am

Surely yes REPLYDELETE  Like  (1)  Block this user

Sri Sri Shuddhaanandaa Brahmachari Replies to Sri Ni

Jan 20, 2013 at 11:13 am

Thanks both Ajit ji and Sri Ni for your views, 

Let me tell you that i see no reason why this simple relaxation and working with the seeds of affirmation has to be taken to the level of pure effortless state of samadhi. 

this practice that i have mentioned, is a simple suggestive method of reorienting the subconscious so that the subconscious can materialize what ever is the essence of the affirmation impregnated. 

But i do appreciate and do agree that at the deepest level the whole point of passion or perseverance do not have any bearing. But of course both have its play when someone is trying to move into the zone of relaxed state of mind. As i said effort first and then effortlessness. 

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Sri Ni Replies to Sri Sri Shuddhaana..

Jan 20, 2013 at 12:18 pm

With humility, i submit 

the reason why this simple relaxation and working with the seeds of affirmation has to be ---necessarily ----taken to the level of pure effortless state of samadhi --is as follows 

these seeds are to be necessarily planted in the fertile / nourishing field , ie ,samadhi, the pure consciousness, if to really sprout , grow, flourish , into manifest reality of practical, mundane plane as a fulfilled desire, without loss of time, but not to remain as a life long wish, a seed as /hope/ giving temporary and marginal relief , naa alpa sukhamasthu, little gains will not be real joy.

the difference between a wise and unwise is that 

the unwise does things , with all self imposed passion etc, with all external impositions by teachers even , but does not succeed in getting the fullest real results, but ends up in small gains, suffering continues , mainly 

the wise does things ,but with the help of samadhi, with the help of that great real power in samadhi, which immediately causes the seed to fruition, without loss of time , and in abundance, no more suffering, all blessings only , all round, 

hence the importance of being in yogastha, in doing karma , gross or subtle, but subtler the activity, greater is its impact.

and samadhi, ie yoga, makes the karma sukaushalam, makes the doer skillful, successful, with ''spend less , gain more'' technique 

here comes the need for guru guidance to gain mastery over reaching samadhi 

for doing little and accomplishing lot , a wise approach

Ignorant states 

''if wishes were horses beggars will ride'' , he does not know the technique, his wishes all with passion perseverance, remain unfulfilled 

wiseman says 

you can make your wishes into horses and jolly well ride on them 

yatheenaam brahma bhavathi sarathi 

for wise spiritual god himself becomes his servant at his beck and call

this we did see in the life of great saints, and it is possible to live in our own life REPLYDELETE  Like   Block this user

Sri Sri Shuddhaanandaa Brahmachari Replies to Sri Ni

Jan 20, 2013 at 09:52 pm

Great explanation! Thanks for your deep wisdom and your sharing. 

I still hold on to my first statement, and i will not comment any more on this, but agree with you for everything you say on this, and that is, 

any act of relaxation or any kind of sadhana is essentially to begin with is deep intention and deeper level of patience and perseverance that gradually takes the simple effort into a state of effortless flow ... REPLY  Like  (1)  Report Offensive Block this user

Sri Ni Replies to Sri Sri Shuddhaana..

Yesterday at 03:12 pm

Tnx for kind glance , and blessings REPLYDELETE  Like   Block this user

Sri Sri Shuddhaanandaa Brahmachari Replies to Sri Ni

Yesterday at 03:29 pm

My profound gratitude! REPLY  Like  (1)  Report Offensive Block this user

Sri Ni Replies to Sri Sri Shuddhaana..

Yesterday at 08:52 pm

First part ---''any act of relaxation or any kind of sadhana is essentially to begin with is deep intention and deeper level of patience and perseverance''-----ok, it is shadha, a must , this is preparatory , a propulsion ,to initiate and to sustain 

surely i do not discount this

the second part ---'' the simple effort into a state of effortless flow ...''---in this i see a lot more 

A----in arghya we simply take palmful water from the ocean [ simple effort ], and we just allow the water to drop back into the ocean , effortless flow happens

B---in the same way, while in the process of sadhana , in / from samadhi state, [ in / from the ocean of consciousness ] we just take the positive seeds of assertions of happiness [etc] with least mental effort, at subtle level , and leave this thought to merge back into the onsciousness.

we do not persist on it , we do not keep the water in the palm , we just allow it to drop down , to effortlessly reach back its own source

in this most simplest elastic property of the process of pulling out and leaving back on to its origin , that the wish gets materialized, here the silence of the absolute is stirred a little , as if the god is awakened to listen to our particular desire/ command and enabled to answer with his response ie of fulfilling the desire

C---we enter the temple, silence, and ring the bell,with a little effort, stir the silence, and the sound vanishes back in to the silence . here god is awakened , he listens to our inner subtle assertions and answers , and our desire is fulfilled .

D---the process in it's simplicity is that---- the wholeness is collapsed and allowed to regain the wholeness, in the process of regaining its original state the wish is getting fulfilled 

E---so i re-emphasize the first and foremost requirement of reaching first the state of samadhi, the wholeness, and learn to collapse it -----not severely----but most delicately------in least degree, ----such that the stirred / collapsed wholeness, subtly disturbed samadhi has a chance of rebuilding itself immediately in to original wholeness

F----seeking a boon from god is a subtle process, like gently humbly , prayerfully asking a great rishi in samadhi , a shiva in deep meditation, ----so that he just comes out a little and gets back into his samadhi smoothly 

if one is forceful. insistent, compelling, shaking him violently disturbing beyond a limit, that tapaswi is disturbed so much that he cannot go back in to samadhi immediately , he will simply give a curse, instead of a boon

G----my writing this is due to reading your responses making me to explore the leads a little more in detail , foo my own clarity. you may kindly tolerate / ignore , your time is precious 

the point i was making is 

one must know how exactly god fulfills our assertions , what is the deeper mechanism in this spiritual process

making vinayak into sidhi vinayak 

making hanuman into sankata mochan hanuman 

making god into varadayaka, the boon granter 

and it is devotee who makes him prasanna, in readiness to grant boons

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Sri Ni Replies to Ajit Zutshi

Jan 20, 2013 at 10:13 am

Yes ,passion , is a binding , undesirable REPLYDELETE  Like  (1)  Block this user

Sri Ni Replies to Ajit Zutshi

Jan 20, 2013 at 10:15 am

No

in samadhi, the restful alertness , the relaxed state is just without feeling or effort, just being

 a straw gains value by falling in to the stream of consciousness 

all experiences, observations, memories, impressions,--- learnt , acquired, accumulated---all good bad useless, ---are insignificant straws, in the mind

in fact they are debris, a burden blocking the creativity of an ordinary man, some times causing harm, making him ineffective , binding him to conformity to degenerate ways of living--the sanskaars.

he does not know how to come out or get rid of them

but for an enlightened man ,a rishi, a poet, the vary same straws become the raw materials for him to construct a poem, to create a melody, ----to innovate an universe. since he is a flow,chethna,he is not static., jada

he is the stream of consciousness, chethana sravanthi

in the stream, the same straw s in his mind come out as beautiful expressions, chunks of truths. 

he uses the same alphabets, same words, idiom grammar but what comes out is a artistic creation , 

thus the ordinary things become extraordinary in his expression, gaining value by association with the stream 

his mind a sheet clean

his imagination the fluent pen

his ink the consciousness

with him

the dictionary flows

the alphabet glows

poetry is as deep as the rishi is

when rishi is rooted in the field of infinite creativity,

his every utterance is a poetry, and a novelty

extend it to god

an ordinary individual , a stone , in rama kaarya, does not drown, becomes a raw material to construct the sethu , gaining infinite value by just being with him, the chethna